constant number of poor people

  1. Playing as a socialist utopia I realized that the number of poor people stays constant whatever I do.
    It seems like GDP, unemployment, equality, poverty and income have no effect on the number of poor whatsoever.
    I even had the poverty under control event.

Is this intended or a bug?

In case a the possibility of a change implemented it should influence the income of different taxes.

  1. I also cant cancel the policy public prisons even if private prisons are implemented. That should be possible.

  2. Maybe I just overlooked it, but is there a way to see the effects of a policy before you implement it (and lose political capital)?

The amount of poor people should definitely vary over time. I shall investigate this.
Yes, you can’t currently cancel public prisons, but I shall look into that. There needs to be some pretty desperate repercussions to having no prisons at all!

The income of different groups influences at the moment -only travel.

Maybe if you push income up or down they could change the group?
BTW why does the income low, middle, high not influence GDP?

Those values represent disposable income, they aren’t just wages. So if you tax the rich, the wealthy income will drop (for example) but the same amount of money exists within the economy. GDP doesn’t get boosted.

Taxes reduce the total demand - negative GDP impact. Spending boost GDP and demand.

If I tax but do not spend, paying for existing expenditure or dept, it has a negative GDP impact.(ask greece they have decreased their deficit but increased their dept to GDP ratio)
Similarly if I spend but do not tax (running a deficit) it boost GDP.

In d3 taxes and spending do not model this GDP effect.
At the moment I can raise the sales tax and it does not effect GDP.

It isn’t that simple. If it was, all countries could just spend endlessly and reap the benefits. if you tax people, but take that tax money and spend it, then there is little to no GDP difference, unless you are spending it in specifically targeted ways or the people would have saved that money instead. However, even that can be a false economy, because if state pensions are low and that money would be used to pay for their retirement, then the government will only end up bailing them out later anyway.

If the government taxes and does not spend all the money, using the surplus to pay down debt, this can be a good thing (depending on circumstances), if it results in lower borrowing rates for the government. Some of the governments spending is debt repayments, and depending how the numbers fall, you can end up with more money by doing this, because the cost to you of re-financing existing debt actually drops because of market confidence in the economies stability.

C=private consumption I= private Investment G= government (consumption and investment) T = trade (exports-imports)

Yes I know that, I’m not getting how you are saying that the GDP model is wrong in the game. GDP in the game is relative, not absolute. It’s represented on a 0-1.0 scale.

My main problem is that after my second term GDP (health, education) hits the maximum.
I’m now stuck with almost no possibility of improvement what so ever.

Is that true with all countries? or just the UK?

On a related note to the OP - is the Conservative group functioning as intended? In my game as the UK they appear to have a number of negative modifiers on their membership which don’t seem to dissipate and don’t have any obvious way to counter. I was trying to run a Conservative country as the UK and while I could make the Conservatives happy it was impossible to increase their membership. Nothing seemed to do it. By contrast, the religious grouping all but disappeared following the switch to teach Evolution-only.

There is probably a lot of overlap between religious people and conservatives. The conservatives like a strong police force and low crime, and really dislike legalised drugs and gambling, as I recall.

max GDP, health, education - min crime, unemployment, poverty - fiscal surplus
all at the end of the second term with difficulty at 150%

It works well with the UK and Germany with the US its close haven’t tried the other countries.

(With Germany I’ve even won with zero votes for the opposition)