Grand Challenge Quest take three

Gratuitous Forum Challenges and Tournaments
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So, I have posted my new shiny Rebel fleet, the idea for which I’ve been saving for the whole challenge just for the late game - it even beats Legedi’s “I-cheat-by-using-3-hulls” fleet (:p), though it’s often very close. Challenge is up as Zounds Corbeau - Rebels.

[code][config]
name = zrcorb knight-class cruiser
guiname = ZRCorb Knight-Class Cruiser
hull = Rebel Minotaur Cruiser
cost = 2326

[modules]
0 = cruiser_ecm beam,
1 = cruiser_laser,
2 = cruiser shield reflective,
3 = cruiser crew IV,
4 = cruiser_laser,
5 = cruiser_laser,
6 = cruiser_laser,
7 = cruiser power II,
8 = cruiser_laser,
9 = cruiser_engine VI,
10 = cruiser power,
11 = cruiser_engine VI,
12 = cruiser_engine VI,
13 = cruiser_engine VI,
14 = cruiser_engine VI,
[/code]

[code][config]
name = zrcorb lancer-class cruiser
guiname = ZRCorb Lancer-Class Cruiser
hull = Rebel Fenrir Cruiser
cost = 2205

[modules]
0 = cruiser shield reflective,
1 = cruiser_ecm beam,
2 = cruiser_targetboosterII,
3 = cruiser_engine VI,
4 = cruiser_engine VI,
5 = cruiser_pulselaser,
6 = cruiser_pulselaser,
7 = cruiser_beamlaser,
8 = cruiser_engine VI,
9 = cruiser_engine VI,
10 = cruiser power,
11 = cruiser power II,
12 = cruiser_laser,
13 = cruiser crew IV,
[/code]

[code][config]
name = zrcorb levy-class frigate
guiname = ZRCorb Levy-Class Frigate
hull = Rebel Asgard Frigate hull
cost = 750

[modules]
0 = frigate power II,
1 = frigate_ion_cannon,
2 = frigate crew II,
3 = frigate_engine,
4 = frigate_ion_cannon,
5 = frigate_ion_cannon,
6 = frigate_ion_cannon,
7 = frigate_ion_cannon,
8 = frigate_engine,
9 = frigate power,
[/code]

[code][config]
name = zrcorb flanker-class frigate
guiname = ZRCorb Flanker-Class Frigate
hull = Rebel Loki Frigate hull
cost = 581

[modules]
0 = frigate_engine II,
1 = frigate_engine III,
2 = frigate_pulselaser,
3 = frigate_pulselaser,
4 = frigate_engine II,
5 = frigate crew II,
6 = frigate power,
7 = frigate_engine II,
[/code]

[code][ship0]
shipid = 11
name = Scorpion
design = zrcorb flanker-class frigate
pos = 672,288
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,1.00,380.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.00,428.57
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship1]
shipid = 14
name = Slinger
design = zrcorb flanker-class frigate
pos = 672,192
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,1.00,380.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.00,428.57
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship2]
shipid = 15
name = Invincible
design = zrcorb flanker-class frigate
pos = 672,384
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,1.00,380.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.00,428.57
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship3]
shipid = 20
name = Vindictive
design = zrcorb levy-class frigate
pos = 384,768
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.70,550.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.50,550.00
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_3 = CO_OPERATIVE,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship4]
shipid = 22
name = Magnificent
design = zrcorb levy-class frigate
pos = 384,1344
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.70,550.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.50,550.00
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_3 = CO_OPERATIVE,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship5]
shipid = 24
name = Valiant
design = zrcorb flanker-class frigate
pos = 672,480
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,1.00,380.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.00,428.57
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship6]
shipid = 26
name = Irresistable
design = zrcorb levy-class frigate
pos = 384,1440
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.70,550.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.50,550.00
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_3 = CO_OPERATIVE,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship7]
shipid = 27
name = Vengeance
design = zrcorb levy-class frigate
pos = 384,672
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.70,550.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.50,550.00
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_3 = CO_OPERATIVE,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship8]
shipid = 31
name = Tireless
design = zrcorb knight-class cruiser
pos = 576,1056
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.50,490.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.80,490.00
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship9]
shipid = 32
name = Cavalier
design = zrcorb knight-class cruiser
pos = 576,1248
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.50,490.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.80,490.00
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship10]
shipid = 34
name = Turbulent
design = zrcorb knight-class cruiser
pos = 576,960
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.50,490.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.80,490.00
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship11]
shipid = 35
name = Audacious
design = zrcorb knight-class cruiser
pos = 576,672
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.50,490.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.80,490.00
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship12]
shipid = 36
name = Hunter
design = zrcorb levy-class frigate
pos = 384,1248
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.70,550.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.50,550.00
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_3 = CO_OPERATIVE,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship13]
shipid = 38
name = Leviathan
design = zrcorb lancer-class cruiser
pos = 480,1344
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.94,600.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.47,600.00
behaviour_2 = CO_OPERATIVE,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_3 = VULTURE,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_4 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship14]
shipid = 39
name = Hannibal
design = zrcorb lancer-class cruiser
pos = 576,768
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.94,600.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.47,600.00
behaviour_2 = CO_OPERATIVE,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_3 = VULTURE,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_4 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship15]
shipid = 40
name = Chaser
design = zrcorb levy-class frigate
pos = 384,1152
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.70,550.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.50,550.00
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_3 = CO_OPERATIVE,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship16]
shipid = 41
name = Terror
design = zrcorb levy-class frigate
pos = 384,960
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.70,550.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.50,550.00
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_3 = CO_OPERATIVE,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship17]
shipid = 42
name = Resolution
design = zrcorb flanker-class frigate
pos = 672,96
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,1.00,380.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.00,428.57
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship18]
shipid = 44
name = Narcissus
design = zrcorb lancer-class cruiser
pos = 480,1440
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.94,600.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.47,600.00
behaviour_2 = CO_OPERATIVE,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_3 = VULTURE,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_4 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[ship19]
shipid = 45
name = Conflict
design = zrcorb levy-class frigate
pos = 384,864
quantity = 1
angle = 90
behaviour_0 = ATTACK_FRIGATES,-1,0.70,550.00
behaviour_1 = ATTACK_CRUISERS,-1,0.50,550.00
behaviour_2 = KEEPMOVING,-1,0.00,0.00
behaviour_3 = CO_OPERATIVE,-1,0.00,0.00
angle = 90

[/code]

22

It looks like this GCQ has shown good missile balance: they do a good job of wrecking unless there’s point-defense around.

Also,

I second the motion. Actually, we could just all attach those zip files ourselves instead of posting the long code - though the latter is far better for browsing.

23

Didn’t realize it was different hulls, not just different ships. Oh well.

New challenge, beats all: Zounds Legedi - Federation

*edit, withdrawn. I’ll make a new fleet once the next one or more are posted, or everything is cleared up.

24

There are max 3 uploads per post. So, here are the first three. In the future, rather than emailing me, just upload your fleets here. I will still test them and post results, but it will save everyone time.
Cheers.
Zounds Corbeau Federation.zip (2.43 KB)
Zounds Corbeau Alliance.zip (2.44 KB)
lokis222 fleets.rar (3.66 KB)

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and two
zounds maverick federation.zip (2.13 KB)
Zounds Legedi - Rebel.zip (2.24 KB)

26

Got a problem. Corbeau, I tested your rebel fleet five times against Legendi’s rebel fleet. You didn’t win. Out of the five times I tested it, you won only once. This brings us to the next problem. Legendi’s fleet is only using three hulls. I didn’t specify that you had to use only different hulls, only that you had to use different kinds of ships. I am really not sure how I feel about this. Due to the bonuses that hulls confer, it could be viewed as wrong, but if the ships are significantly different, is it okay? … Actually, having just reread this last sentence, I think allow two of the same hull will open the door for to much lawyering. I will let this fleet stand, and for the rest of this tournament, the use of the same hull is okay, but starting next tournament, it will have to be different hulls. Obviously, changing crew or power modules does not count as different. Nor does changing the position of respective weapon or defense modules. If the same hull is used, I want to see significantly different weapons and reasonably different defenses. In the case of defense: armor, shields, PD, speed, etc are counted.

27

Legendi,
Since your fleet has not been beaten, you might want to hold on to your new build. You only get four chances.

28

Having looked over Legendi’s Frigates, I am going to let it stand, but it is because of how similar they are that I am not going to allow it in the future. They are bordering on way too similar and having the same hull bonus seems to unbalance things.

29

I think both would be good.

30

That’s… mildly surprising. I posted the fleet after I made some modifications and won two in a row. Just ran five, and won 3-2; problem is, it depends heavily on how fleets decide to maneuver. If things get scattered, I pick off Legedi’s frigates and win. If not, they finish my shields and then it’s all over. :frowning:

Unfortunately, I can’t delete a challenge once it’s posted. I can (and have, unless insane luck or hardware is skewing compared to Lokis’ computer) post a revised version that does beat Lededi’s rebels like it should (I replaced the target boosters on the Lancers with fast recharge shields, which is enough to swing almost all the endgame situations in my favor, and get a 6-0 test result). I could post that as a “Revised” version. Heck, if Lokis wants to test the revised version to make sure it operates the same way (again, all I did was replace the target boosters with fast recharge shields - and that’s the only match that was even close, or in which the boosters might have mattered), then he can post it as a revised entry that does what it should.

This wouldn’t be any problem at all if we could delete our own posted challenges. Cliff, you listening? :wink:

31

Withdrew my second fleet. I’ll wait until things are cleared up.

As a note, I really like this map. Not having fighters is refreshing. I think fighters in general are too annoying for my taste. Hopefully that changes as the game develops.

32

I switched the booster for a fast recharge shield on all three lancers… it put you over cost. Did you drop something after that?

33

In future challenges, I am going to be making different fleet combinations. Tho, I might increase speed. 1x when you test six fleets is a PITA.

34

It shouldn’t put me over cost. Heck, it only adds 40 per ship times 3 ships… and I was almost 180 under cost in my original deployment. We are both using version .15, right?

35

Agree so much. Though your Fed fleet is making me want fighters back. :smiley:

Superfast frigates work about as well for the same basic role without throwing balance out of whack.

36

Yeah, I am up to date. Could you just email me the new fleet or just post it. I am getting into a super busy period right now, and I don’t have time to figure out the problem. Anyway, off to work. I will check this tonight.

37

Posting now:
Zounds Corbeau Rebels Rev.zip (2.51 KB)

38

Took a quick look on my way out the door.

When I boot your fleet, I am get a cost of 25,028.

Could others please verify this for me?

Later.

39

Just downloaded it and run. Everything is ok. Cost is 24944 Pilots 20.

40

I am still listing 25028? Can someone test this please, and give me a yay or nay verdict on whether it kills everything? Cordeau, is the fleet cost on your computer the same as what Maverick is getting?