Do you think we should post an unstacked version of 19 and 18? Or do you think we should let them get flush out naturally?
I would suggest leaving challenges already posted but ban stacking for all future challenges.
Lol I beat this with my order fleet but accidentally named it 6-20. Gonna repost it in a few minutes.
Edit: Fixed
5-21 posted. Basically the same as the last SAC-6 
22 is up
it is a better version of 6 and 21
sorry for copying it but I needed to get 19 of the way. it was so ugly and not fun
19 out of the way, no stacking as agreed 
23 up. Swarm Mixed Rush. Easily beats 19-22.
Updated so fighters shoot at cruisers. Don’t know what I was thinking setting them to shoot at fighters in a rush build, when the battle will end before the dogfight ends.
24 posted. Anti-rush rad spam. I couldn’t get it to perform decently against missiles, so I didn’t even try. Butttt I think 23 gives it enough missile protection, anyway
SAC 25 Order Radiation Damage anti rush that smashed rushes and counters other anti rushes well. However, this fleet should be very vulnerable to counters. Have fun.
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26 up.
Yes it’s swarm frigates again, but no stacking this time.
Arakis, if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say it at all. There’s no point in spamming my inbox with asinine and belligerent messages, just because you’re upset about stacked missile spam, which was EXPLICITLY allowed by the rules of this tournament before 1.47. In actuality, I was one of the biggest proponents for banning stacking in SAC, but of course, I was out-voted. But since it was in actuality allowed by the rules, I made it clear that I’m not going feel guilty by (ab)using it.
But even then, it didn’t even matter since I could have gotten the same effect, in this particular case, by setting everything to escort like Follick did. The fact that they were stacked up was not the reason missile spam presented such a challenge.
You say that I need to “go away” and that I’m a “moron cheating POS,” But honestly, you are the one that needs to go away. You’ve taken a friendly competition and turned it into something ugly. It just isn’t fun anymore when someone is a complete dick.
5-27 - colorful mixed rocket spam
5-28 up. Nomad got a serious long missile.
Lol the reason is because it’s a “Tribe” spam.
That is exactly what I planned to do. Better Missiles demands more missile spam, which is already one of the best strategies overall.
But 90’000 Credits? That requires me to deploy about 25 cruisers. I had a cutesy plan to maneuver mine, but with so much money, anything that is not pure firepower will likely be completely pointless. Having a second line of artillery platforms without defenses might be sensible even.
After some number crunching. The nomad missile isn’t that good even for long range. It’s roughly the same dps as MWM at 1150.
Nomad Missile
7.304 DPS at 1150
9.324 DPS at 900 (capped)
MWM
7.21 DPS at 1160
16.72 DPS at 500 (capped)
The tracking, speed/fuel, and decoy nature of the missile make it a bit more reliable under adverse situations. Hard to measure.
I’d say it’s an alternative to the MWH provided the targets stay at 900+. An odd niche for sure.
The tracking speed is misleading because with missiles, increase move speed lower chance to hit. With both having 0.5 turning, it is unclear how much more accuracy do Nomad Missiles have.
Decoy vs all active warhead will have no bearing since on average, the amount of damage scrambled will be the same. On the rare chance that opponent has a point defense scanner, then Nomad missile will be worst.
The 300 lowered fuel is indeed significant.
One thing for sure though, things that MWM have trouble hitting will be fast enough to get past 900 range against Nomad Missiles.
Edit: Field test show that Nomad Missile hit much more consistently, as their fast speed makes them go through scrambler easier.
And now back to your regularly scheduled and drama free SAC. The competition is definitely kicking my tail. I can beat the individual challenges…eventually…, but finding a fleet to beat the last three has been eluding me. Thanks guys.
Perhaps we can come away from this with an agreement that being polite and civil is to everybody’s benefit.
thc was not cheating. Before 1.47, stacking was explicitly allowed in the SAC.
Just to be clear, I was not and have not commented on cheating or accused anyone of cheating in this thread or anywhere in this forum. IIRC There were 2 one line private communications between another poster and I on or around 9/4 that someone wanted to make an issue of in a public forum.
I concur with your point about being civil and polite regardless of the situation.
Have you tried the block feature?
Text does not convey much feelings, and that’s all we get online. Without the ability to read body language or hear tone of voice, may people become autistic on the internet. Fortunately most games has the mute feature to block people I don’t like.