School educational method

[Franztroll]

Hi Cliff and community, since there is the prison regime as a “fundamental law” in Democracy 4 and in real life unfortunately there are still countries where they have a harsh and violent educational method. So I thought of putting the “school regime” or “teaching method” as “fundamental law” with 3 options which are: delicate, balanced and hard. Or with more options regarding the legalized physical punishments a teacher can give to a pupil (for example: prohibited physical punishment, rare physical punishment, uncommon physical punishment, common physical punishment, legal physical punishment)

P.S. I am not inciting school violence, I am only proposing an idea that unfortunately is in progress in some countries.

Please Cliff and community, let us hear you with a simple comment and if you have things to say that I have not said or that are not precise let us hear !!!

See you!!!

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[Plexus]

Very interesting. I’m personally very interested in the expansion of the “regime” simulations, as they can be applied to so many things in theory. rehabilitative vs punitive, humanist vs individualist, conservation vs expansionism, regulation vs free market, tradition vs progress, nationalism vs multilateralism. The list goes on.

Regime simulations defy the need to come up with actual policies that somehow influence either trend, and simply allow an overarching dichotomy to represent a generalised precedent. I don’t think there should be one for every political concept, but when the field is difficult to model IE military action or educational procedure, this could be a simplified alternative.

[Franztroll]

Thanks for the comment! Could you help me with the things that would affect a hard, balanced or delinquent education or the list of legalized physical punishments described above please? Sure, a delicate education increases education but it would wear conservatives. for punishments in addition to these 2 influences also arises that of health. But if you can help me describe the influences you will be of help! We feel!

[Plexus]

Sure! Poverty, parental income, education, human development & unemployment (of the parents), school funding (well funded state schools and/or successful private schools) and the childcare provision & youth club policies would all affect a child’s journey through life and the educative system.

In terms of actions, the hardline obviously involves explicit harm, shaming, or confiscation of property/liberties but the more liberal alternatives could involve anonymising test results, removing spelling & confidence criteria from the mark schemes of assessments (for ableism), better equating emotional, creative, or social intelligences to create wider criteria to praise, or even stopping the system of homework

[Franztroll]

OK thank you so much! If you have other tips to say I will be very happy because in my opinion democracy 4 has a little 'few laws for the school. it has only the public school, the credits for the schools, the youth club and the school vaucher.

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[cliffski]

This is a good point actually. We do have a policy which affects selective schooling, but thats more because this policy very clearly impacts existing voter groups, as the idea of giving specialist tuition to the best students in pretty much a capitalist one, versus the ‘all are equal’ approach which appeals to socialists.

Where we have something like school regime, I guess the question is whether or not the policy can be accurately mapped onto parents, youth and conservative/liberal groups.

For example, say we have corporal punishment in schools. I think that may map quite well onto conservatives being in favor and liberals not, and almost certainly youth would be against, with maybe parents not taking a view either way?

In that case, the policy would only ever be a good idea if you needed to win conservative votes I guess. So it might not be a particularly ‘big deal’. This sort of thing would maybe work better as a dilemma?

[Franztroll]

In my opinion Cliff if corporal punishment were a dilemma if you win for example 10 mandates then it reappears instead if there is the law that is and if you want to change it you change it as you want. anyway thank you for being part of this discussion and please if you have other things to say, just tell them! See you Cliff!

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[Rabid]

I’d say that this one would annoy parents, as well as all the please cons, upset libs, upset youth. A lot of parents will react very badly if the school system is hitting their kid. Basically, “you don’t hit my kid, I hit my kid”.

[Franztroll]

Yes, however, there are conservative parents who want a “violent school” for the education of their eldest child and liberal parents who want a school that does not physically touch their child because they do not want their child’s health or psychological problems so in my opinion it should make them happy but also do them discontented.

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[raxo2222]

@Franztroll

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Your pictures are broken

[Franztroll]

I didn’t put any pictures. but do you read the message or not?

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[raxo2222]

Yes, sounds fine IMO

But why you put [image] in your posts then?

[Franztroll]

I don’t really know, it puts it on me automatically

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[Franztroll]

This is an american and european map on the legality of corporal punishment at asa and at school. I haven’t found a parental approval chart in the face of corporal punishment but I’m looking for it.

(green = corporal punishment prohibited
blue = prohibited in schools
red = legal)
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