Libertarian Mod

[SANC]

I have in the past but I left years ago. If it’s after getting as detailed as this then props to them, I copy and pasted these voter groups from a very amibitous project I’m working on myself.

[Teleros]

@Iamthatis137

If anything, I side with anarcho-socialism. State socialism [like Marxism, Leninism, and other forms of Communism] leads to as much bureaucracy and inequality as any other system. American socialists mostly agree on this. Especially, the ‘softer’ democratic socialists which I guess I’m on board with [but that you would probably say are dead-wrong]. My problem is I see many sides and it’s hard to say I am this or that, because I see the flaws with that group. I’m not against the buying and selling of goods.

IMHO, there’s no such thing as a flawless system - every kind has its downside, in both practical and philosophical ways. There’s no “Third Way” between left and right - ultimately, you have to sit down, think, and make a hard choice based on your value system and the law of unintended consequences.

@Iamthatis137

What I think we would agree on is that government should be by the people and for the people instead of the few elite. We just disagree what leads to that tyranny and how exactly to solve it.

Absolutely .

@Iamthatis137

I was talking about the Liberals in the game. Theoretically, ‘liberals’ should be for less government control and more civil liberties. But you’re right that ‘the left’ is about the government doing things that should create more equality and liberty. We could go on forever about the flawed logic of that. But, I was saying that the Liberals in the game are somewhat libertarian. If you notice, they hate gun laws and drug laws just as real-life Libertarians do.

Yeah; they seem a bit schizophrenic to me. I think I’d have split them TBH - say Progressives vs Classical Liberals or something.

@Iamthatis137

As for the gender pay gap problem, I would say that if we leave it up to corporate employers, there will be no progress and women as a whole will continue to struggle to get ahead despite the many unnecessary social obstacles in their way.

Two flaws with this that I can see, basically resulting from the law of unintended consequences:

1. Women have a very big issue that makes them less desirable for employers: pregnancies. From the POV of the employer, why should they pay X for a worker who is not worth X to them, because they may need several months away from work, or quit to raise a family etc, whereas men don’t tend to have that issue? You can’t legislate against biological facts of life, however much we might wish to.

2. Suppose you’re a sexist pig. You have a choice of hiring a woman or a man… but the woman is offering to work for, say, 10% less. Now, you can still hire the man, but you are now paying a cost for being a sexist pig (and your non-sexist-pig rival benefits, most likely). Now suppose the woman is not allowed to sell her labour for 10% less - you’re now paying zero cost for being a sexist pig.

Result? Fewer women in employment, because the laws designed to help them in fact screw them.

[serfiusdjinnt]

I’m an anarcho-capitalist and thought about making such a mod, being an ex-Libertarian, but instead I decided to make a mod centered around emulating the U.S. more realistically with the player filling the role of President and all that entails (and doesn’t,) compared to dictatorships and totalitarianism, as I feel the game is modeled. I’m just starting though. Dictatorships are fun to play too, don’t get me wrong.

[billstein]

@SANC

I’ve never heard of capitalism helping the poor.

Ever get a job from someone who wasn’t trying to make money?

[Wat_0]

@MatNazarian

Is there anyone here who is good at modding this game who is also a libertarian? I find that this game is very biased toward the views of the Democratic Party, from it’s advice about the consequences of your actions, to the actual consequences of your actions, to the massive number of Democratic voters. In the game, capitalism hurts the poor, legalizing drugs seems to have no impact on jail costs, legalizing gun ownership tends to have no noticeable effect on crime, paying for people’s healthcare makes the nation healthier, there is only a federal government (no states), and copying all of Obama’s policies gets you 61% of the vote, whereas enacting libertarian policies gets you an approval rating of 0%-3%, and causes crime to skyrocket.

Had similar thoughts after trying an extremist right-wing strategy. (I’m am not an extremist rightist, but I have nothing against trying different approaches in games)

There is almost no private sector in this game. If you shrink the state sector, state employees become unemployed with no private alternative as job.
The behavioral model assumes all poor people are evil (at least this one seems to be a constant in many games). Unemployment boosts crime, also boosts poverty which boosts crime.
Also, consistently getting shot by the capitalist faction even after trying to go extreme right shows how left-minded the game was designed. The game made them so evil they shoot everyone, including the right-wing.

A mod which increases the amount of private sector simulated values would make right-wing strategies more viable. Changing the crime model and the capitalist faction would help too. I noticed there are capitalist faction mods out there already.